Tavi Gallego on Building a Crypto Exchange With Actual Accountability

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[00:02:20] Well all right welcome everybody to another episode of Cyber Crime Junkies. I am your host David Morrow and in the studio today are two gentlemen not just one two from the Louisville, Kentucky area. First my fantastic always positive extremely successful co-host Mark Mosher. Mark

[00:02:42] how are you man? I'm doing wonderful David this is an exciting episode right? You've got two guys from Louisville on the same show what? I appreciate you actually annunciated it correctly

[00:02:55] like you had marbles in your mouth. I like that I practice man so tell the listeners who we've got in the studio with us today. Really excited so you know there's crypto is always in the news

[00:03:08] cryptocurrency exchanges with a lot of the scandals they've been in the news and we have a somebody who is driving a new cryptocurrency exchange the right way it's very promising and we

[00:03:23] want everybody to listen in and have an open mind on this. Tavi Gallego joins us from Louisville, Kentucky is the founder of a new approach to cryptocurrency and crypto exchanges. It's the global investment crypto exchange global investment crypto exchange based here in the

[00:03:40] US Midwest and it's also going to be international and it's also going to be bilingual right and there's an innovative approach with altruism and giving along with education at the forefront. So Tavi come join us come share your story with us man welcome welcome to the studio. Welcome

[00:04:02] yeah thank you David thank you Mark I really appreciate you guys taking the time to sit down with me. Our pleasure yeah yeah so I guess just a little bit about myself I was an insurance for about eight years I had my own insurance agency

[00:04:23] I sold it in February of last year. Congratulations. Appreciate that my parents are Christians and they raised me Christians as a Christian and so that's kind of part of why I'm developing what I'm doing with crypto exchange. Yeah do you want me to just

[00:04:44] continue on and no I was just about to ask you you've you started even without my question so that was fantastic sorry so um yeah I mean let's let's talk about kind of the elephant in the room

[00:04:58] right like whenever somebody hears crypto exchanges they either don't understand it right which is probably the bulk of most people like they don't understand crypto they hear about it we've heard

[00:05:10] of bitcoin and stuff but then we see in the news some of these some of these scandals like sandbank and freeman you hear things issues with with finance coin base you know and so people you know generally are getting a little skeptical there's a gloomy recession right

[00:05:32] um in christianity you've got the dame jave ramsey movement things like that they clearly don't believe in crypto but there is a void there right because cryptocurrency really does have a lot of

[00:05:45] potential if it's done ethically if it's done right it can be very wonderful for people it can be a great way of transaction transacting business making investments like if it's done right it really

[00:06:01] can't so tell us about like what you you sell your insurance agency right and it's um uh it was it was built kind of like a local business and there's a bilingual element to it right yes sir okay cool

[00:06:18] which is great and then from there in bilingual meaning like spanish and english right okay and then i just guessed that from the guy you go plus i did some research on so yeah i knew the answer

[00:06:32] but like what drove you from that to going we need a crypto exchange like as opposed to like starting a different type of business like what what what was it about that yeah absolutely so um

[00:06:47] towards the i had the insurance agency for five years um uh one of the things i tried to incorporate into uh the the insurance business model was giving back and i started to see kind of supernatural

[00:07:01] growth in the agency um so incorporating that you started the model when you were still kind of in the insurance industry okay interesting interesting so explain to us like some examples

[00:07:15] um so you know like we uh i started to partner with different uh nonprofits and charities uh one of my favorite is food for the hungry yeah they're a great organization they feed and

[00:07:26] clothe people all around the world that need it yeah it's just a really good organization um and so from from seeing the growth you know being generous and then seeing the growth

[00:07:38] from the agency um i was kind of done with the insurance i i built a successful agency i was ready to sell it and uh and so i wanted to my next venture i wanted to keep that generosity

[00:07:53] going i wanted to keep that mindset and i also wanted to promote that to other business owners um and people and so uh the importance of giving right the importance of giving

[00:08:05] without any like quid pro quo right like i just want to give because it's the right thing to do no strings attached and then by doing that not only does it like biologically it actually makes

[00:08:19] you feel good but you do help other people and then what you're saying is there's also some unexplainable benefits that tend to happen financially for you by by being by doing

[00:08:32] that on a regular basis generosity you know some people call it karma the universe uh i see it as guide just blessing that generosity and so um i'm laying in bed my best ideas come two three in

[00:08:48] the morning i'm laying in bed after i sold the project and i'm like you know i'd really like to start a cryptocurrency well what about an incorporating in an exchange and then well what about incorporating giving to nonprofits and then offering free exposure to our nonprofits and

[00:09:04] allowing customers to invest and so all these ideas churned up but the reason i got into crypto was because i believe that blockchain technology is the future and like you were saying at the

[00:09:17] beginning of the of the call mark i'm sorry david um like you were saying it's you know if it's done correctly it's a very transparent uh solid way to do business you know everything on the ledger

[00:09:32] it's objective right it's objective it's it's math like you can't argue with it like when it you know two plus two equals mark it's not five i was going with five you know but it's but it like in

[00:09:47] on the blockchain so long as the transactions are recorded there it's decentralized everybody can see it and it's there like you can't deny it so that's what's really nice about it right and and politics

[00:10:01] aside right doesn't matter what country you're in doesn't matter you know who you are what you look like what you believe in whatever like you buy x you sell y it's objective and there's there's some great global equality there yeah absolutely and and so because i believe

[00:10:22] in giving and giving back and i see the benefits on both ends from the person that's giving and receiving and then also like just where blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies are headed that's i've kind of merged the two ideas together and that's the kind of platform that i'm

[00:10:40] building that's really cool so now let me ask you let me just because anybody that's listening that's got any experience let's say they lost their shirt and bitcoin or something right there or they are they invested in quadriga and jerry cutton disappeared or something like that like

[00:10:58] what how are we going to explain to business owners regular people that this is different and that this is going to be transparent and reliable because you've you've explained it to me but share that with the share that with the listeners absolutely so

[00:11:17] when i first got into developing the app i was asked several questions by the development team and one of those questions was are you wanting to develop a custodial digital wallet or a non custodial digital wallet are you wanting to operate as as a centralized exchange or a

[00:11:35] decentralized exchange so explain to us what those terms mean yeah because well what is what is a custodial digital wallet stay with us we'll be right back i never see a data breach in

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[00:13:15] crypto dot com finance or something like that but uh i don't know maybe yeah i was just named the mindset for yeah okay so um these these larger apps that are operating as custodial

[00:13:30] digital wallets what that means is that the the admin the app actually hold your private key hold your seed phrase they hold your password um and things like that so you have these huge exchanges um that are operating essentially as a bank but they're

[00:13:52] unregulated uninsured banks exactly and no one meaning when they're unregulated and they're uninsured and they hold the keys to actually what happens right one of the issues that can occur not implying

[00:14:06] at all that they do occur on those exchanges that we listed but what can happen is you can get on the site or use the app and believe that you just bought five bitcoin you put in your

[00:14:20] actual money and you can get a report that says you have it but it may not be on the blockchain that you actually own it right like there's still that error that's what was happening with some of

[00:14:32] these correct right but now that's with a custodial uh digital wallet what's the difference between that and a non-constodial digital wallet a non-constodial digital wallet and it's not as is well known um some of the non-constodial digital wallets that are out there um they're not as promoted

[00:14:52] as some of these other exchanges that are custodial right a non-constodial digital wallet basically means that you hold your own funds so if you download the gie app that's what we call it for short global investment crypto exchange the gie app it is a non-constodial digital wallet

[00:15:11] which means we as the gie admin do not have access to your private key do not have access to your seed phrase your password or your funds we do not have access to your funds custodial operations hold their

[00:15:25] customer funds and that was one of the issues that happened with ftx um and so as a non-constodial now there is a downside to the non-constodial wallet and that is you've got to protect your

[00:15:39] seed phrase your private key your password you've got to or because your funds right because if yeah because you could be susceptible as mark and i have seen in cybercrime stories that we've looked at

[00:15:54] sim swapping right mark or some of some of these attacks where if somebody gets your private keys then right then you could they could liquidate your account they could transfer those funds over to them but that's just like anything right that's like having money in a bank and

[00:16:13] using you know my dog one two three is your password and then which most sure i just got them to change and then you know my password i know it's all over the net and then uh being able to you know

[00:16:27] access your banking funds and liquidating them so it's to me there's not that much more risk but there is a risk there is a risk there there is a risk there and i don't know you heard of people

[00:16:37] that have lost millions and millions of dollars in certain crypto because they lost their you know their account information now the difference is that with the custodial you may be able to call one of the custodial support numbers and and still gain access to your funds right

[00:17:00] the downside to that custodial aspect is they can freeze your account they can block your account they can take your funds they can really because isn't that that's what we keep reading about

[00:17:10] and listeners and viewers of this whether it's live or whether it's later please chime in please reach out to us at info at cybercrimejunkies.com um or hit us up on our site and and and tell us

[00:17:24] your stories as several of you do and we appreciate that um but it's a lot of times we've heard that you know when when bitcoin starts going down or one of these cryptocurrency names start going down

[00:17:38] they try to get their funds out and they can't right and here in your scenario with a decentralized one right with a non-custodial digital wall they'll be able to because it's there they have

[00:17:52] direct access to it there's no way that we can get involved in those transactions um you know the customer goes on they purchase their crypto through a third party uh we have a third party that helps

[00:18:04] the the facilitation of the purchase of the crypto they swap between crypto and then they can sell their crypto but we as the gia admin operating on that non-custodial platform have

[00:18:15] no access to any of their funds or anything like that so it really truly is the we call them members gie members it really is the members wallet and funds and things like that so then what is the business

[00:18:29] model like i mean because this i always ask the obvious question like what is the bit like how do you guys make money there's got to be something in it right like there's got like you are providing a

[00:18:39] service i can go to your site and i can buy bitcoin just like i can go to a different site and if i feel safer which frankly i personally just personal opinion i would feel safer doing it through

[00:18:49] this exchange right um then how are you i mean i would assume if you if i transaction you've got to make some money you gotta make money for it right so there are uh four points of revenue that's on

[00:19:03] the gia app the first point we collect a small percentage when the customer goes from dollar to crypto when they buy the crypto okay which is a standard right that's the same and the

[00:19:15] percentage is going to be a lot less than you you're you're going to find on some of these larger custodial apps we're we're just trying to to make the operation work of course we need

[00:19:24] money to live but we're not out here trying to make a you know a billion dollars and buy right you know yeah well the dollar to crypto but when you do you will look back and say

[00:19:34] i was on cyber crime junkies podcast i got you david this is the this is the launching catapult due to the next level this is what's going to get that million dollar mark i'll be

[00:19:45] reaching out that's right buddy we're gonna watch you the whole way that's for sure though um okay so walk us through this so we got the first point yeah the order crypto crypto to crypto

[00:19:56] there's a small percentage charge selling the crypto for dollar yep um which is actually something that anybody that's really involved in crypto can appreciate on a non custodial wallet typically when you have a non custodial wallet you have to send your funds to a custodial wallet

[00:20:14] to cash out we're you don't have to do that on our app you're going to be able to do everything on our app and still operate non custodial and decentralized yeah that's very cool and then

[00:20:24] the there's a couple other forms of revenue we're going to have a news section on our app so we may charge some of the news platforms you know to be on our app and then there's also where the

[00:20:34] customers can donate directly to one of our nonprofit partners and um we small we charge a small percentage on that uh the customer can donate in any crypto and then on the back on

[00:20:46] the back end in the in the what are they called the smart contract on the smart contract there's a um conversion of that crypto to uh the usdt which which allows us some flexibility

[00:20:59] and time to convert that to the us dollar to then make the donation so there's some work behind it we're trying to charge as minimal as possible but that's really the points of revenue

[00:21:08] for the app we do not hold our customer funds like these huge right you know operations okay so that is a really refreshing type of exchange like that to me sounds like that's why I was excited about having you on

[00:21:25] because you know with all of the news I mean first Mark and I are just inundated with dark web news of what's going on out there so we're just trying to get our heads wrapped around the

[00:21:38] stuff so we can advise clients right and but then was we're reading the news right and we're hearing all this about crypto exchanges and and sim swapping attacks and investors losing their money

[00:21:52] and then the exchanges are being like you know they can't get people can't get their money out they're trying to do this got the guy up in Canada Jerry Cotton who like dies at 30 or disappears

[00:22:04] like Brett Johnson yeah we had Brett Johnson on the show if you haven't caught his episode go check that those out because those are mind blowing and he had actually worked with the head of that

[00:22:17] exchange on shadow crew on the dark web changing IDs and stuff so when we hear that we're like well crypto's got a future blockchain has a future so they've got to get out of this bad press the

[00:22:31] first people that kind of rushed in they got greedy right it's going to level off and it's going to become mainstream because it's the one thing that I think can help underdevelop countries as well as

[00:22:42] you know hardworking Americans like I really believe like it it is really a a sacred platform once it's done right and so done right yeah and I did want to mention two things one when

[00:22:57] you know you hear about people putting all their retirement into a token and losing it all and like well that's just poor investing that's just poor investment that's just poor investment that's that would happen that's been happening since the 1920s and even before like that's been going on

[00:23:13] where people are like I've got a penny stock it's a dollar it's gonna go to three I'm throwing the house into it right and then it goes down to like half of that money and you lose everything

[00:23:23] you're like okay well so you know so there's that component to it but there's also on our platform in particular on the global investment crypto exchange we're vetting all our tokens before they ever get onto our platform so even though we're non-custodial and decentralized some of

[00:23:42] these decentralized platforms have no vetting system right yeah I could create a token put it on there make a website and scam everybody but that can't happen on our on our platform

[00:23:54] oh got it so I am I'm sharing the screen right now now this site is not is it public yet or not yet it's it's online we've got we're doing a few more tweaks to it uh kind of minimal things

[00:24:08] we're adding a a blog and kind of news section but it's pretty much finalized it's if anybody wants to go check it out feel free but just keep in mind we're still doing a couple of tweaks to it

[00:24:20] right so I first of all I love the movement in there I think it's really cool um but and I love how this moves like that it's it's visually very very appealing but what I love is you explain

[00:24:34] all of your model right up front it's very very clear right and here there's going to be a mobile app which is great um and it's a decentralized exchange and then I wanted to ask you about

[00:24:48] education so right here is where you're going to build out a lot of education material right so what is that going to entail so the educational I've actually purchased a crypto library from a

[00:25:01] third party it wasn't cheap by any means it's a everything a to z everything crypto blockchain terminology I've actually no knowledge acronyms all the stuff that people like you want them to make educated investments right youtube links the web link to the original

[00:25:20] white paper videos we've got gie created uh content we've got other content that we didn't create it's on the app as well and we've also got a glossary um a glossary in english and

[00:25:35] everything in the app is in english and spanish we've got a glossary a to z and so the idea that part came from my dad he's 72 years old he doesn't he refuses to have a cell phone so his love it

[00:25:50] my step mom he still bummed he still bummed that they put buttons on the landlines right he's still on dial yeah so my step mom is his secretary and I'm talking to my dad I'm like that I'm in

[00:26:02] the bitcoin I'm into this like what is that what is this what is that and so that gave me the idea that there's a lot of people who don't know anything about crypto and they need to be educated and have

[00:26:13] a place where they can go to be educated and that's where um that's where we put that part in sure I mean I would have meant look every investment there's risk in it if you go buy a stock on

[00:26:24] the new york stock exchange or an option that there's options exchange there's there's a level of risk in everything but the whole point is before you do that you should read the prospectus you should

[00:26:35] understand the the the pe like the the the the earnings the dividends that are involved and just weigh your risk with the potential benefit and with crypto there really aren't a lot of places

[00:26:49] like that so having that here I think is really really yeah that's revolutionary toby like that's really good and on this page are you are you guys able to see what I let me see yeah yeah

[00:27:00] you're able to nonprofit partners yeah so this is really cool so these are all of the nonprofits that someone would be able to it's an option right it's not required of course it's an option

[00:27:11] you can get on and just invest in trade but if you have a good month and you want to donate 20 30 bucks 40 but whatever you can also donate to one of our nonprofits that's fantastic

[00:27:23] so walk us through some of these so one is the orphan orphan carolions or who are they they are a local up to Kentucky and southern Indiana there are non-profit that help orphans in the area

[00:27:38] find homes and you know make sure that they're taken care of it's a really cool nonprofit that's great and then food for the hungry is global isn't it they're international yeah they're they're the they're a big big group I really like them I'm actually I actually sponsor

[00:27:57] with them I'm associated with them on an individual basis I really like the way they operate they feed people they clothe people all around the world it's a pretty cool nonprofit yeah what I like about them from what I've read anyway my personal experience has been

[00:28:13] you know with a lot of nonprofits or places that we could donate right sometimes you just never know where the money goes right does it go to a lot of admin or does it just go to like

[00:28:26] the top people's third third vacation home or something and food for the hungry really like it gets the food to the hungry people like it it executes on it it the mission happens and I love

[00:28:39] that so all of all of our as well all of our nonprofits are vetted as well that's great we want to keep you know when 50 cents of every dollar goes to the CEO right we're not trying to buy people

[00:28:51] mansions we're trying to help yeah exactly like yeah because otherwise cybercrime junkies should become a nonprofit we will be coming on bro you will become a nonprofit like we'll give 10 cents to somebody but but 90% goes to more video ads or something so that's not our goal it's not

[00:29:10] happening don't take us literally please read the legal disclaimer okay so life water what's life life water clean water around the world they oh fantastic I have heard of that when I know

[00:29:22] people that have actually participated in Africa very heavily is a part of life water so yeah that's that's a heck of an outfit right there I'm surprised by that too I didn't think you drank

[00:29:33] water no no I don't actually myself but I don't know is there water sorry tommy you know yeah that's great and then health and harmony is that a local so health and harmony is another international nonprofit they are actually so one of the concerns with cryptocurrency is

[00:29:53] crypto mining and right energy expenditures and all that and it creating bad fumes and things for the environment well health and harmony they focus on saving the rainforest and the way they the way they do it is they go to the rainforest people the local people that live

[00:30:14] in the rainforest and they help them get jobs and healthcare so that they don't have to do illegal logging it's a really cool nonprofit that is trying to help save the planet that's great and then assist international I take that's international right yeah they build I think

[00:30:31] they build homes buildings and things like that in life but resilient communities as they make a lasting sustainable impact on the communities we serve focus on children education global health clean water that's good and then American foundation for suicide

[00:30:49] prevention so that's wonderful yeah yeah that's our only national of a nonprofit and I wanted to have a variety of nonprofits on the you know for because people have different passions I wanted to mention there is a way that the customer or the GI member can suggest other

[00:31:08] nonprofits for us to partner with oh that's a great idea too yeah like now maybe nami or the you know like along the lines of other mental health organizations yes any nonprofit they can suggest and then we're going to review their financials we're going to you know make

[00:31:26] sure everything's in order and if they're a solid nonprofit we're going to add them to the to the list of partners that's great that's fantastic and then you're very passionate about prisoners hope so the prisoners hope is the other local so orphan care alliance and

[00:31:41] the prisoners hope are two local nonprofits the prisoners hope was started by a gentleman who was in jail for I think 22 years murder and now he started this nonprofit that helps families of incarcerated people before during an after incarceration and it's really cool he also brings

[00:32:00] the gospel to the people that are incarcerated which is just incredible to me yeah that's fantastic and then souls for souls souls for souls is a clothing but they specifically focus on used

[00:32:14] shoes and they and they create jobs with it so they don't only just clothe and and shoe people but they um they also um create jobs you know in those different communities that that

[00:32:29] it can help yeah that's great and there's there's a lot of those there's like the jackets like a lot of times for for kids in school there's there's uh there's a several regional nonprofits focused on jackets and things especially as the winter months come up so that's phenomenal

[00:32:48] so you've touched on something earlier that I want to explore a little and that's it's related to cyber security and and cyber crime and that's the um mark how do you say it it's really

[00:33:00] the crypto mining right because there are so many data breaches that happen that go undetected right by systems and tools and the vendors that sell you stuff as a business right that your systems aren't gonna aren't gonna do it or not gonna be able to detect it

[00:33:20] but what happens is they don't exfiltrate data exfiltrate that fancy word for steal steal right they don't steal your data and they don't ransom you they don't like encrypt your stuff

[00:33:30] but what they do is they use your compute power yep so that you can mine for for cryptocurrency because a lot of systems and tools they have cryptocurrency kind of buried into the root of them right mark is that how that works no that's exactly it I actually

[00:33:49] interesting story actually um my personal tablet that I use my surface um about a year ago got to move just horribly slow and no matter no matter what I was doing it wasn't just always

[00:34:01] a sign of something right yeah whenever you see a system going slow spreadsheets would move real slow right and I finally had somebody looked at it and I had a miner on there somebody

[00:34:12] was mining from my surface so yeah it can happen and then you can it can go undetected yep we were managing the IT and the cyber security for a very small regional health care organization

[00:34:27] and all of a sudden similar things started to happen there's their system started to go slow things like that we had the security tools on so we didn't see any threat actors moving laterally mark like there was no it wasn't setting off real-time detection but then we

[00:34:42] did some forensics and we found like they were being used for the compute power to get to like they were like a distributor in the health care space to somebody else somebody bigger they were using their compute power to go there to mine their cryptocurrency yeah yep

[00:35:00] it's crazy that's who like that is just not something when we were all growing up but that was the thing you had to worry about right like that was not an international

[00:35:11] problem that existed no on that on that Commodore computer that was not something that we were like worried about somebody gonna mine the cryptocurrency off that thing so um that's absolutely amazing

[00:35:23] so tell us what the what the um stages of this and when when the launch is going to be um so we I can't give a firm launch date yet I was instructed very very strongly not to

[00:35:36] give a launch date until I'm sure gonna launch but we are looking here within the next I would say about three months that we're well that's soon okay great we're implementing um one piece of

[00:35:48] technology that I don't want to give too much away but it's an AI component that is gonna I think it's going to change the industry I can't like I said I can't give too much information away

[00:35:58] on that but it's it's what we're doing with incorporating the AI onto the app is innovative in the industry um that's great so well will it not to pry but will it help people maybe make

[00:36:13] either better investments or at least see what market trends are and things all right we're gonna have to have you come back and give us an update absolutely because when this thing goes live

[00:36:26] we're gonna want to see it right absolutely will yeah I wanted to just mention one other thing that absolutely the mission statement for what we're trying to do um we're really trying to change the global marketplace by creating conscious consumers who only do business with companies

[00:36:45] that give back uh so if you've got company a here company b here a gives back b doesn't i as a consumer should prefer to do business with company a we want to drive all businesses small your small

[00:36:59] mom and pop shops to your huge large amazon walmarts all them we want all of the businesses to give a small percentage of their profits to a charity or or nonprofit local or global

[00:37:13] and that's what we're trying to do that's the main goal we're going to lead by example by donating a monthly percentage of our revenue of our profits to our nonprofit partners but that's the overall goal so that's fantastic so that's called social responsibility yeah so mark and I

[00:37:30] actually when we first started doing our podcast we had a gentleman who had made a fortune you know selling a business running a business and he designed a business model now of social responsibility right because he wants to find organizations like when they choose a vendor

[00:37:54] they research them and they want to work with other organizations that that also give because what what his data showed mark do you remember him um and his name escapes me so i'll have the

[00:38:08] link to his episode yeah i'll have his episode and link in the show notes but the key to that is that what the data showed is by doing business with people that believe what you believe very simon

[00:38:23] seneck of him right um they actually had better customer experience they had more collaboration they found more opportunities to work together um you know it's just it's it's very simple like it's playing nice in the sandbox that people who believe what you believe there's a lot more

[00:38:45] collaboration and two positive forces make uh make a greater one so yeah um and and then also if the business let's say i'm a mom and pop shop i'm i have a hardware store and i just put a jar on my

[00:38:59] counter that says donate to save the whales right well now you're creating exposure for that nonprofit indirectly we want the business to donate we want the customers to donate and create exposure for this nonprofit for free um and so that's the kind of the idea behind that that

[00:39:18] anybody can can get into this program and imagine the change that we could bring is everything that's gave a small percentage of their profit to a charity or you know yeah we're

[00:39:30] going to say like that now i think that's fantastic and i think that's a that's a very valid mission so well we want to see this thing go live and we wish you the absolute best we will definitely

[00:39:42] have please come back and join us yes when it's live okay and we can even do a live demo you know mark can throw mark can throw a hundred bucks in we can watch what happens we can watch

[00:39:54] what happens yeah i love that idea we can watch it go down and laugh at him because he didn't i guarantee he didn't watch the videos and do the education that he was supposed to it's probably

[00:40:06] on his list of things to do it's on the to-do list it's on the to-do list but uh no toby this is really great we're really honored to have been have the opportunity to speak with you

[00:40:17] at the stage so this is good stuff so everybody check it out we will have links to the website it is live in terms of the website is up there but you can't exchange you can't buy currency yet

[00:40:31] just yet you'll have to keep but yeah but it's giecrypto.com giecrypto.com we'll have the link in the show notes absolutely so toby thank you so much thank you so much buddy it is great

[00:40:44] anything else yeah anything else that you would like to before we before we end this like any any other statements you want to make to the listeners yeah um you know i know that the

[00:40:55] crypto community seems like it's a very selfish like get rich quick yeah it's very uh it's very wall street from the 80s kind of feel at least that's what's in the news that's what's in the

[00:41:08] news right but if you google you can google this in 2021 45 percent of crypto investors gave a thousand dollars or more to charities and nonprofits so wow that's my crypto people that are you know already into crypto we're already have that giving mindset you know let's let's

[00:41:29] let's make some things happen with this um i think you're right well and look like the people that tend to be investing in crypto are not necessarily just generally speaking when you're talking about

[00:41:41] demographics they're not boomers necessarily right so they tend to in and the younger generation the gen z and the millennials tend to invest for cause it's in the work for a place that has a

[00:41:53] cause behind it right there tends to always need that and what better place than to invest in crypto with social responsibility so um this is good i think this has got legs man i know it

[00:42:05] i know it does so fun to watch yeah this would be very exciting to watch so and use ourself so right thank you guys so much it really was a pleasure speaking with you all no it's ours

[00:42:17] and we're sorry that you know where we have a cyber crime junkies element to the podcast but it's really cyber security it's really cyber security helping people stay safe online and that's

[00:42:30] honestly exactly what you're about like yeah you have an offering that when it pans out the way that it's been outlined is going to be a great way of safe way a safe way of playing in the

[00:42:42] crypto space online so you've got my vote you'll have my money so that's good man thank you very good mark thank you guys all right we'll see you thanks everybody appreciate it well

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